Oriana Fallaci Interview with Khomeini, 2

Oriana Fallaci, 1929 – 2006, the Italian journalist and political interviewer, had an interview with Khomeini in 1979 that is very interesting and informative. We will publish the English translation of this long interview in series of three parts, and here are the second part:

“Let’s talk about freedom and democracy, Imam. In one of your first speech in Qom you said that the new Islamic government would guarantee freedom of thought and expression to all , including the Communists and ethnic minorities. But now the Communists are called “Children of Satan” or “Evil on Earth.” You demand that I allow the conspiracies of those who would lead the country to anarchy and corruption, as if freedom of thought and freedom of expression was plotting and corrupt [!]. So I say: [only] for more than five months I have tolerated [!], we have tolerated those who did not think like us . And they were free, absolutely free to do whatever they wanted. Through Mr. Bani-Sadr, who is here, I even invited the Communists to talk with us. But in response they have burned the crops of wheat, set fire to ballot boxes of the polling stations, and with guns and rifles have responded to our offer of dialogue …. But, Imam,Closing opposition newspapers, for example. In that speech in Qom you also said that you had to be modern means to train men who are entitled to choose and criticize. But the newspaper Ayandegan, for liberals, has been closed. And so all the papers for the lefts . The newspaper Ayandegan “was part of the conspiracy of which I spoke [!!]. They had relations with the Zionists [!] … The same in all the newspapers that the Attorney General of the Revolution considered subversive and closed [!!!] .This is not against freedom. It is everywhere. No, Imam. The lefts who fought against the Shah, were persecuted and arrested and tortured. How can you call them enemies, such as denying a right to exist in space and a left has fought and suffered so much? None of them have fought and suffered [!] . If anything, they have exploited for their own purposes the pain of the people who fought and suffered. You are not well informed : Most of the left alluded was abroad during the imperial regime, and returned only after the people had driven the shah. Another group was here, that’s right, in its hidden coves and hiding in their homes, and only after the people he gave his blood , they use of the blood. But so far nothing has happened that limited their freedom [!!].


“Excuse me, Imam: I want to be certain of having understood. You say that the left had nothing to do with the ouster of the Shah. The left that gave many arrested, many tortured and murdered so many. Neither the living nor the dead, left, count for nothing. They did not contribute anything. They have not served in any sense of the Revolution . Some have fought, yes, but for their ideas and nothing else, their purposes and nothing else, their interests and that’s it … No, the Left have never worked with us. … Our movement has always been a Muslim, and the Left have always been against it. They are built by the Americans [!!!] .A left US-made, Imam?! Yes, born in and supported by the Americans to launch slander and sabotage against us and destroy us. So when you speak of the people, Imam, refers to a people tied exclusively to the Islamic movement. But do you think these people who have killed thousands, tens of thousands died for freedom or for Islam? For Islam. The people fought for Islam. And Islam means everything [!!!], even what this world is called freedom and democracy. Yes, Islam has everything [!]. Islam encompasses everything [!!!]. Islam is everything. At this point, Imam, I have to ask what it means by freedom. Freedom … It is not easy to define the concept. We say that freedom is when you can choose your own ideas and think about what you want without having to think of others, and stay where you want, and pursue the job you want. I see … Thinking, therefore, does not materialize and express what you think. And what democracy means, Imam? I ask this question with particular curiosity about republic or monarchy in the referendum, because you have banned the term Islamic Democratic Republic. Deleted the word “democratic” and said: “Not a word more, not one word less.” Result, the masses who believe in you pronounce the word democracy as if it were a dirty word. What is wrong with this word that we in the West seems so beautiful? To begin with, Islam does not need words like the word democracy [!!]. Just because Islam is everything means everything [!!!] . For us it is sad to put another word next to the word Islam, Islam is perfect [!!]. If we want Islam, is the need to specify that we want democracy? [!!!] … Democracy is a thing of Aristotle, that the Soviets is another, yet another one of the capitalists [!!!]. We can not afford to put in our constitution a concept as ambiguous [!!!!] . Finally, here’s what I mean by democracy: I give a historical example. When Ali became the successor of the Prophet and leader of the Islamic state, and his reign was from Saudi Arabia to Egypt, and included much of Asia and even Europe, and this confederation had all the power, he happened to have a difference with a jew. And the jew sent for him by the court. And Ali accepted the call of the court. And he went. And seeing him enter the court stood up, but Ali said angrily: “Because when you get up later and not when I enter the jew? Before a court the two contenders must be treated identically. ” Can you give me a better example of democracy? [!!!!]

Imam, democracy means much more . And this I also say that the Persians as we foreigners, do not understand where it’s going to parry his Islamic Republic. If you foreigners do not understand, the worse for you. So the matter does not concern you. you have nothing to do with our choices. If you do not understand some Iranians, that’s their problem. It means that they did not understand Islam [!!!!!]. But they understood the despotism that is now exercised by the clergy, Imam. In drafting the new Constitution the Assembly of Experts has a past article, the fifth principle, that the head of the country must have the supreme religious authority, that is you, and final decisions should be taken only by those who know the Quran , that is, by the clergy. This does not mean that, for the Constitution, the policy will continue to be made by priests and that’s it? This law ratifies the people is not inconsistent with democracy [!!!] Because the people love the clergy, has confidence in the clergy [!!], wants to be led by clergy [!!!], it is fitting that the highest religious authority will oversee the work of the Prime Minister or the President of the Republic to prevent mistaken and that go against the law that is against the Koran [!!]. Or, the highest religious authority or a representative group of clergy. So let us have justice administered by the clergy. Let’s talk about that after winning five hundred executions were carried out in Iran . Do you approve of the summary manner in which these processes are celebrated without a lawyer and without appeal? Obviously you Westerners who had ignored those who were shot, or pretend to ignore it. These were people who had participated in the massacres in the streets and squares, or of people who had ordered massacres, or to people who had homes burned, tortured, sawn legs and arms during interrogation. What we should do them: to forgive, let them go? [!!] … My people did not put his questions. If we had not intervened with the shootings, revenge People would break out of control means any official of the scheme would be executed. Then we had more than five hundred: the dead would be thousands. Okay, but I do not necessarily alluded to torturers and murderers of Savak. I was referring to rifles that the sins of the regime had nothing to do, to people who are still executed for adultery or prostitution or homos-e-x-u-a-lity . It is justice, according to you, shot a poor prostitute or a woman who betrays her husband or a man who loves another man? If a finger is gangrenous, what should I do? Let go gangrenous whole hand and then the whole body or cut your finger? [!!!] The things that bring corruption to an entire people must be uprooted as weeds that infest a field of wheat [!!!] . I know, there are companies that allow women to treat themselves in the enjoyment of men who are not their husbands, and men to treat themselves in the enjoyment of other men, but the company that we want to build does not. In Islam, we want to pursue a policy that will purify the society [!!!], and for this to happen it is necessary to punish those who bring evil corrupting our youth . Whether you like it or not, we can not endure the bad guys to spread their evil. Besides, you do not do the same? When a thief is a thief, do not put in jail? In many countries, perhaps not to execute murderers? Yes, the evil must be removed, uprooted like weeds . Only eradicated the country cleanse. “

The stupid illiterate Khomeini even could not understand the difference between “Democracy” and “Justice”. But the Western media, like the Time, called him “Philosopher-King“! The unknown and uneducated Khomenei became a hero by the Western media in 1978, and we would write more about it later. But how they could call an uneducated Mullah a
Philosopher-King” ?! Khomeini said that Islam does not need words like the word democracy, and he was right. Because the word democracy is a dirty word in Islam. In Islam you should only obey the god, the prophet and the leader ! that’s all. Khomeini said : “the people love the clergy, has confidence in the clergy, wants to be led by clergy”. It was true in 1979, but now, in 2011, “the people hate the clergy, has no confidence in the clergy, and doesn’t wants to see the f-u-c-k-i-ng face of any clergy! ” Khomeini said tens of thousands died for Islam, not freedom. But now in 2011, tens of thousands died for freedom and anti-Islamic values Khomeini confessed that Iran only was free for five months after the 1979 revolution. And it’s certainly true. Only 5 months. Closing opposition newspapers, for example Ayandegan for liberals and all the papers for the lefts was a clear sign of tyranny and dictatorship, and exactly the same as what we experienced in these years. Since 1979, the Mullahs always have said that “the protesters are Zionist and work for Zionists or America.”, or “You are not well informed”. Khomeini and the Mullahs used of the people’s bloods for their own interests, and stupidly said “We can not afford to put in our constitution a concept as ambiguous as democracy !!’ and then they put the most reactionary and ambiguous concepts in our constitution, like Velayat-e Faqih, an unelected Islamic Senate (Guardian Council), Islamic laws, etc Khomeini said : “If a finger is gangrenous, what should I do? The evil must be removed, uprooted like weeds ” It’s very funny that now the gangrenous finger is Mullahs, the weeds are the Mullahs, and the evil that must be removed is the Mullahs and their Islamic regime. Of course we cut the weeds in the modern way, not in the Mullah’s way. 2010s is not 1970s.

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